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  • Name John Wates  [3, 4
    Born 7 Nov 1812  Woolwich, Kent, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [5
    Gender Male 
    Census 6 Jun 1841  Lambeth, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [6
    England 
    Occupation 6 Jun 1841  Lambeth, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [6
    Organ Builder 
    Registration Between 1 Jul 1849 and 30 Sep 1849  Lambeth, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [7
    Death 
    • Volume 4, Page 383
    Registration Between 1 Jul 1849 and 30 Sep 1849  Lambeth, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [8
    Death Registration 
    • Volume 4, Page 383
    Died 1 Aug 1849  Lambeth, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Occupation 9 Mar 1875  Lambeth, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [4
    Organ Builder 
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    Person ID I26763  The Williams Family Tree
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    Father James Wates
              b. 16 Oct 1780, Saint Mary Cray, Bromley, Kent, England Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. 23 May 1862, Abbey Wood, Dartford, Kent, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 81 years) 
    Mother Jemima Ambrose
              b. 15 Jun 1783, Woolwich, Kent, England Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. 8 Sep 1849, Woolwich, Kent, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 66 years) 
    Married 28 Oct 1803  Lee, Kent, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • St. Margaret
    Family ID F8043  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Catherine Evans
              b. Abt 1816
              d. 29 Jul 1849, Lambeth, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 33 years) 
    Married 2 Nov 1834  Saint Mary, Lewisham, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [9, 10
    Children 
     1. John William Wates
              b. 21 Aug 1836, Woolwich, Kent, England Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. 11 Jan 1900, St. Saviours, Bermondsey Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 63 years)
     2. Jemima Mary Wates
              b. 1838, Lambeth, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. 1864, Woolwich, Kent, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 26 years)
     3. Mary Susanna Wates
              b. 1840, Lambeth, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. 1841, Lambeth, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 1 years)
     4. Elizabeth Wates
              b. 1842, Lambeth, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. 26 Mar 1868, Otago, New Zealand Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 26 years)
     5. James Wates
              b. 1843, Lambeth, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. 22 Apr 1861  (Age 18 years)
     6. Susannah Wates
              b. 1845
              d. 1848, Lambeth, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 3 years)
     7. Rebecca Wates
              b. 30 Oct 1846, 4 Saville Place, Lambeth, London, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. 1 Jun 1935, Edgbaston, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 88 years)
     8. Daniel Wates
              b. 1848
              d. 1848, Lambeth, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 0 years)
    Last Modified 11 Apr 2018 
    Family ID F8048  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBorn - 7 Nov 1812 - Woolwich, Kent, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsCensus - England - 6 Jun 1841 - Lambeth, Surrey, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsOccupation - Organ Builder - 6 Jun 1841 - Lambeth, Surrey, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsRegistration - Death - Between 1 Jul 1849 and 30 Sep 1849 - Lambeth, Surrey, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsRegistration - Death Registration - Between 1 Jul 1849 and 30 Sep 1849 - Lambeth, London, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDied - 1 Aug 1849 - Lambeth, Surrey, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsOccupation - Organ Builder - 9 Mar 1875 - Lambeth, London, England Link to Google Earth
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  • BMD Certificates
    Marriage Certificate for Maximilian Bates HORLOCK and Rebecca WATES (8333)
    Marriage Certificate for Maximilian Bates HORLOCK and Rebecca WATES (8333)
    Marriage Certificate for John WATES and Catherine EVANS (8048)
    Marriage Certificate for John WATES and Catherine EVANS (8048)

    Census
    1841: England Census for Lambeth, Surrey
    1841: England Census for Lambeth, Surrey
    HO107 Piece 1057/2 Folio 23 Page 40  

    Dwelling  
    Location Lambeth, London, Surrey, England 
    Source HO107 Piece 1057/2 Folio 23 Page 40 
    Note  
    Surname Forename(s) Age Sex Occupation Birthplace 
    WATES John 25 Organ Builder  
    WATES Catherine 25   
    WATES John   
    WATES Jemima  Surrey 
    WATES Mary  Surrey 

  • Notes 
    • From "The Wates Family Saga"

      A copy of John's birth certificate exists dated 14.2.1837, stating the name of the surgeon who was present at the birth, and he was born at James Wates, in High Street, Woolwich, "and that it was entered, filed and registered", according to the customs in use amongst Protestant
      Dissenters, at Dr. Williams' Library, Red Cross Street, Cripplegate, London. It is interesting to note that his birth was registered after his marriage, but before the Registration Act came into force on 1.7.1837.

      He was apprenticed to a musical instrument maker and became an organ builder, like his father and his brother William. Also a piano maker.

      He married Catherine (Kate) Evans on 2.11-1834 in the Parish Church of Lewisham, in the presence of Jemina Evans and James Wates. They moved from Woolwich to 4 Savill Place, Lambeth, CA 1841. They both died of cholera in 1849 and the five surviving children returned to Woolwich to the care of their grandfather and U. Benjamin.

      John Wates, d. 1.8.1849 at 21 Saville Place, Lambeth Walk, Sy., he had slight diarrhoea for 6 hours and then cholera, Asiatic for 24 hours, certified. Catherine may have died two or 3 days before him, and it appears probably that his mother came to attend to this family emergency, possibly she drank some Lambeth water and returned to Woolwich with the children, becoming ill herself on 4th August, she died on 8th August. These deaths within a fort-night must have been a terrible and frightening shook to the family. (The incubation period for cholera is from 4 - 10 day).

      Catherine Wates died 29.7.1849(35) at above address - wife of John Wates organ builder. Asiatic cholera, 24 hours, certified. Present Jeremiah Evans of 13 Lembbrey's Buildings, Woolwich, Kent. Reg. 30.7.1849. Jeremiah Evans was probably the father of Catherine.

      In the 1851 Census, the two younger children were with grandfather James, the three older ones may have been at an educational establishment.

      John Wates, d. 1.8.1849 at 21 Saville Place, Lambeth Walk, Sy., he had slight diarrhoea for 6 hours and then cholera, Asiatic for 24 hours, certified. Catherine may have died two or three days before him, and it appears probably that his mother came to attend to this family emergency, possibly drank some Lambeth water and returned to Woolwich with the children, becoming ill herself on 4th August, she died 8th August. These deaths within a fortnight must have been a terrible and frightening shock to the family. (The incubation period for cholera is from 4 - 10 days.)

      From the 1841 Census (HO107 Piece 1057/2 Folio 23 Page 40) John, 25, Organ Builder was with his wife Catherine, 25, in Lambeth, Surrey, England. With them were their children John, 5, Jemima, 3, and Mary, 1. Jemima and Mary were reportedly born in Surrey, the others were not.

  • Sources 
    1. [S2857] The Wates Family Saga, Margaret R. Pitt, (Middlesex, England - 1974/1998).

    2. [S9808] TAG 2 [Marriage Information (Registration, Banns, Certificate)], accessed 3 Feb 2016), Previously TAG 2 records. (Reliability: 3).

    3. [S3811] Wates Family Saga List (Reliability: 3), 19 May 2009.

    4. [S8659] London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921, ((http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1623&enc=1)), accessed 27 Jan 2015), Marriage for Maximilian Bates HORLOCK and Rebecca WATES; 9 Mar 1875; St. Mary, Lambeth, London, England. (Reliability: 3), 27 Jan 2015.
      London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

      Information for Maximilian Bates HORLOCK

      Estimated birth year: abt 1846
      Age: 29
      Spouse: Rebecca Wates
      Spouse Age: 28
      Record Type: Marriage
      Event Date: 9 Mar 1875
      Parish: St Mary, Lambeth
      Borough: Lambeth
      Father Name: Joseph Horlock
      Spouse Father: John Wates
      Register Type: Parish Register
      http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&MS_AdvCB=1&db=LMAmarriages&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=2&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsfn=max*&gsfn_x=XO&gsln=horlock&gsln_x=XO&dbOnly=_F00058A6%7c_F00058A6_x%2c_F0005A5D%7c_F0005A5D_x%2c_F0005A49%7c_F0005A49_x&uidh=e72&pcat=34&fh=0&h=2421840&recoff=8+10+31&ml_rpos=1

    5. [S9366] England and Wales Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8), 1588-1977, ((familysearcg.org)), accessed 2 Feb 2015), Birth for John WATES; 7 Nov 1812; High Street, Woolwich, Kent, England. (Reliability: 3), 2 Feb 2015.
      Name:John Wates
      Event Type:Birth
      Birth Date:07 Nov 1812
      Birthplace:High Street, Woolwich, Kent
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      Father's Name:James Wates
      Mother's Name:Jemima Wates
      Affiliate Publication Number:RG5_138
      Citing this Record:
      "England and Wales Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8), 1588-1977," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQKV-HBC : accessed 2 February 2015), John Wates, 07 Nov 1812, Birth; citing p. 83, High Street, Woolwich, Kent, record group RG5, Public Record Office, London.

    6. [S2939] HO107 Piece 1057/2 Folio 23 Page 40, HO107 Piece 1057/2 Folio 23 Page 40 (Reliability: 3), 14 Jul 2008.

    7. [S1857] Registration of Deaths, (Ancestry.co.uk), Sep 1849, Lambeth, London, Volume 4, Page 383 (Reliability: 4), 14 Jul 2008.
      John WATES

    8. [S8517] England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915, FreeBMD, ((http://freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl)), accessed 2 Feb 2015), Death Registration for John WATES; Sep 1849, Lambeth, London, Volume 4, Page 383. (Reliability: 3), 2 Feb 2015.

    9. [S8561] England Marriages, 1538–1973, ((https://familysearch.org)), accessed 2 Feb 2015), Marriage for John WATES and Catherine EVANS; 2 Nov 1834; Saint Mary, Lewisham, Kent, England. (Reliability: 3), 2 Feb 2015.
      Name:John Wates
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      Spouse's Name:Catharine Evans
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      Event Date:02 Nov 1834
      Event Place:Saint Mary,Lewisham,Kent,England
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      Indexing Project (Batch) Number:M00668-3
      System Origin:England-ODM
      GS Film number:307679, 307680
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      Citing this Record:
      "England Marriages, 1538-1973 ," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NVQ6-BQT : accessed 2 February 2015), John Wates and Catharine Evans, 02 Nov 1834; citing Saint Mary,Lewisham,Kent,England, reference ; FHL microfilm 307,679, 307,680.

    10. [S8659] London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921, ((http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1623&enc=1)), accessed 2 Feb 2015), Marriage for John WATES and Catherine EVANS; 2 Nov 1834; Lewisham, London, England. (Reliability: 3), 2 Feb 2015.
      London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

      Information for John WATES

      Spouse: Catharine Evans
      Record Type: Marriage
      Event Date: 2 Nov 1834
      Parish: St Mary, Lewisham
      Borough: Lewisham
      Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
      http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&MS_AdvCB=1&db=LMAmarriages&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=2&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsfn=john&gsfn_x=XO&gsln=wates&gsln_x=XO&msgdy=1834&msgdy_x=1&dbOnly=_F00058A6%7c_F00058A6_x%2c_F0005A5D%7c_F0005A5D_x%2c_F0005A49%7c_F0005A49_x&uidh=e72&pcat=34&fh=0&h=10095651&recoff=8+9&ml_rpos=1