James Flay[1]

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  • Name James Flay  [2
    Born Bef 20 Apr 1829  Calne, Wiltshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    Gender Male 
    Baptism 20 Apr 1829  [2, 3
    • Calne, Wiltshire
    Immigration Abt 1833  [2
    • Brig Clio from Bristol 6/13/1833 (see notes)
    Residence Between 1850 and 1851  New York, New York, United States Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    West 25th Street, Between 6th and 7th Avenues 
    Business Between 1851 and 1852  New York, New York, United States Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    3 Bedford 
    • Tinsmith
    Residence Between 1851 and 1852  New York, New York, United States Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    3 Bedford Or 1 Bedford 
    Naturalization 21 Oct 1851  [2
    • NYC (See notes)
    Residence Between 1854 and 1856  New York, New York, United States Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    263 W. 47Th St. 
    Property 1855  [2
    • Owner Of Land. Does This Refer To His Business Establishment?
    Occupation 1855  [2
    • Tinsmith
    Business 1856  New York, New York, United States Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    501 6Th Ave 
    • Tinsmith
    Residence Between 1859 and 1860  New York, New York, United States Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    263 W 47Th St. 
    • [22ND Ward, Division 2]
    Residence Between 1860 and 1861  New York, New York, United States Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    271 W. 47Th St. 
    Business Between 1869 and 1870  New York, New York, United States Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    Metals, 83 Greenwich Ave. 
    Business Between 1872 and 1877  New York, New York, United States Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    609 Greenwich St. 
    • (Plumber)
    Residence Between 1872 and 1874  New York, New York, United States Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    688 Greenwich St. 
    Residence Between 1875 and 1877  New York, New York, United States Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    43 Downing St. 
    Business Between 1879 and 1880  New York, New York, United States Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    609 Greenwich St. 
    • (Plumber)
    Occupation
    • Plumber, Smith, Tinsmith, Metals
    Residence Between 1879 and 1885  New York, New York, United States Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    147 Christopher St. 
    Occupation 1 Jun 1880  [2, 4
    • Plumber
    Residence 1 Jun 1880  New York, New York, United States Find all individuals with events at this location  [2, 4
    Residence Between 1885 and 1886  New York, New York, United States Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    157 Christopher St. 
    Died 8 Aug 1885  New York, United States Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    Cause: Chronic Baseler Meningitis; Abcess at base of brain. 
    • 147 Christopher St.
    Buried 11 Aug 1885  New York, United States Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    • Evergreens Cemetery
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    Person ID I8099  The Williams Family Tree
    Last Modified 2 May 2018 

    Father John Flay
              b. 24 Aug 1791, Calne, Wiltshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. Yes, date unknown 
    Mother Mary Meyel
              b. Abt 1804, England Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. Yes, date unknown 
    Married 31 Jul 1820  Calne, Wiltshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [2, 5, 6
    Family ID F2220  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Catherine H. Hesketh
              b. Abt 1836, New York, New York, United States Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. Abt 1894, New York, New York, United States Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 58 years) 
    Married Abt 1865  [2
    • The 1855 New York State Census report on John Flay gives James as married. But there is no sign of a wife living with them (James is living with John on West 47th). So, when and where he was married is still more of a mystery. [1855 NY State Census for John Flay] [2]
    Children 
     1. Charles J. Flay
              b. Abt 1868, New York, New York, United States Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. Yes, date unknown
     2. William Flay
              b. Abt 1871, New York, New York, United States Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. Yes, date unknown
     3. Joseph Henry Flay
              b. Abt 19 Sep 1873, New York, New York, United States Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. Between 1933 and 1936, Trenton, Mercer, New Jersey, United States Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 59 years)
     4. Bertha Flay
              b. Abt 1875, New Jersey, United States Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. Yes, date unknown
     5. Grace Flay
              b. Abt 1879, New Jersey, United States Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. Yes, date unknown
    Last Modified 3 Jun 2008 
    Family ID F2371  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBorn - Bef 20 Apr 1829 - Calne, Wiltshire, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - West 25th Street, Between 6th and 7th Avenues - Between 1850 and 1851 - New York, New York, United States Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsBusiness - 3 Bedford - Between 1851 and 1852 - New York, New York, United States Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - 3 Bedford Or 1 Bedford - Between 1851 and 1852 - New York, New York, United States Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - 263 W. 47Th St. - Between 1854 and 1856 - New York, New York, United States Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsBusiness - 501 6Th Ave - 1856 - New York, New York, United States Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - 263 W 47Th St. - Between 1859 and 1860 - New York, New York, United States Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - 271 W. 47Th St. - Between 1860 and 1861 - New York, New York, United States Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsBusiness - Metals, 83 Greenwich Ave. - Between 1869 and 1870 - New York, New York, United States Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsBusiness - 609 Greenwich St. - Between 1872 and 1877 - New York, New York, United States Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - 688 Greenwich St. - Between 1872 and 1874 - New York, New York, United States Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - 43 Downing St. - Between 1875 and 1877 - New York, New York, United States Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsBusiness - 609 Greenwich St. - Between 1879 and 1880 - New York, New York, United States Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - 147 Christopher St. - Between 1879 and 1885 - New York, New York, United States Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - 1 Jun 1880 - New York, New York, United States Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - 157 Christopher St. - Between 1885 and 1886 - New York, New York, United States Link to Google Earth
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  • Notes 
    • Occupation of James Flay. He is sometimes listed as a plumber, sometim es as a smith. [NYC city directories]

      An Aaron Levy family shared the house with James Flay family accordi ng to the 1880 US Census. Aaron was a "glass dealer" and was born in Russ ia. His wife, Lettie, was born in Prussia. They had a son, also born in P russia.

      The following information is all from the relevant NYC city directories.
      1851-52. The earliest James is listed in the NYC city directo ry as a tinsmith living at 5 Bedford St. NYC, with a business at 3 Bedfo rd St. In this same year, on October 21, there was anaturalization procedu re (indexed, but I haven't seen it) for a James Flay, 5 Bedford St. wi th a witnessing by Wlliam Gougl of 3 Marion St.
      1854-55. There is a James, tinsmith, at 263 W. 47th St.
      1855-56 there is a James, smith, at 263 W. 47th St.
      1856-57. The city directory shows clearly that there are two James es here by 1856-57, both listed as smiths. One lives at 263 W. 47th St ., the other at 271 W. 47th St. The one at 263 lists place of busine ss as 497 6th Ave. the other lists no place of business.
      1857-58. The James at 263 W. 47th (who had been listed earlier (1855 -56) at that address, before the second James shows up) again shows a busi ness address, listed now only as 6th Ave. The other James that year lis ts his occupation as "Stores", his address as 420 9th Ave, and no busine ss address.
      1859-60. Only one James, smith, living at 263 W. 47th St.
      1860-61. Only one James, smith, living at 271 W. 47th St.
      1861-62. James, roofer, 371 W. 47th St.
      1862-63. James, tinner, 271 W. 47th St.
      1863-64. No James listed. Civil War service?
      1865-66. James, smith, 629 W. 42nd St.
      1866-67. James, roofer, 33 Greenwich St.
      1867-68. No James listed.
      1868-69. No James listed.
      1869-70. James, metals, 83 Greenwich St.
      1870-71. No James listed.
      1871-72. No James listed.

      In the 1860 US Census (check it out) there is a James Flay, age 32, tin ro ofer, born in England, living at 263 or 271 W. 47th St. His wife is Cathe rine (Hesketh?), born in NY. There is also listed as living with him a Jo seph Henry Flay, age 23, tin roofer, born in NY, and a Mary, age 15, bo rn in NY.

      On the matter of his arrival in the US. On the listing for the Brig Cl io from Bristol, England, arriving June 13, 1833, there is a James, a ge 4. This would put him in the vicinity of my James in age. He was wi th Mary Flay, age 29, Charles Flay, age 1, Elizabeth Flay, age 10, Mary A nn Flay, age 5 months, and William Flay, age 7. William was listed as bri cklayer, Mary as servant. The age problem must be resolved, especially si nce there was clearly another James Flay in NYC (see above). The birthdat e, if 4 in 1833, was 1829. But according to the 1880 US Census he was bo rn in 1826. In the 1860 US Census, at age 32, he would have been bo rn in 1828-1829. New information from Joan Vinall makes it more probab le that this is my James.

      On the matter of naturalization, not certain that this is the right Jame s. His address was 5 Bedford Street, and the witness was William Gou gl of 3 Marion Street. The record is in Bundle 26, Record #394 (I'm not s ure this is a location for the NYPL index source in which I found this inf ormation, or in the Naturalization process itself.)

      James was 57 yrs old when he died. [Manhattan Index to Deaths, DER - HO F F, 1885, NYGBS]

      In the 1850 federal census there is a James Flay living in Ward 16

      In the 1855 NY State Census for John Flay, James is said to have liv ed in NYC for 24 years [1855 NY State Census John Flay]

      At time of death lived on the 3rd floor at 147 Christopher St. Two oth er families living in the house. So I infer that they were renting. [N YC Death Certificate # 537548 (15758)]

      James Flay died at home at about 3 a.m. [NYC Death Certificate # 537548 ( 15758)]

      The undertaker for James Flay was William H. Hawks, 8 Sixth Ave, NYC. T he name of the doctor who certified his death and cause of death is illegi ble [2]

  • Sources 
    1. [S3657] The John Flay Line (Reliability: 3), 25 Apr 2009.
      Temporary Tag

    2. [S1397] John Flay.

    3. [S1469] Extract from Beazley's Book 'The Beginnings'.

    4. [S1482] 1880 United States Census and National Index, (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints).

    5. [S1421] Vital Records Index - British Isles, (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints).

    6. [S3411] Chris MacPherson.