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- [S9966] Susan B., B., Susan, 10 Mar 2017>, "Frederick Hirons," (Reliability: 3), 13 Mar 2017.
Hi Phil,
Thanks for getting back in touch. We don't know much about Frederick, this is all just from trying to put bits of a jigsaw puzzle together.
My friend has been relying on information from her aunts, the children of Clement Hirons, born 1922 to Frederick Hirons and Annie Yates (She has the birth certificate). Her aunts told her that Frederick and Annie never married as they were already married to other people. They also remembered having cousins in Hull with the surname Capell. So we did a bit of digging and found the following.
Family 1
Ernest CAPELL married Annie YATES in 1901 Rugby. They have had the following children
1. John Thomas CAPELL 1904 Rugby. He died 1904 Rugby
2. Thomas John CAPELL 1905 Rugby. He died 1909 Rugby
3. Madeline CAPELL 1907 Rugby
4. Margaret Ellen CAPELL 1909 Rugby
5. William Bernard CAPELL 1913 Rugby. He died 1994 HULL!!
6. Herbert Henry CAPELL 1915 Rugby
Family 2
Frederick HIRONS married Clara Ellen GARRATT 1912 in Rugby. They had the following children
1. Clementina HIRONS 1913 Rugby
2. Thomas E HIRONS 1914 Rugby
Family 3
Frederick HIRONS and Annie YATES (didnt marry) had the following children
1. Clementine C HIRONS 1919 Sculcoates.
Looks like she died in 1920, Sculcoates, under the name of Clementine CAPELL . There is no record of a Clementine CAPELL being born ANYWHERE in England EVER. Was Annie YATES pregnant with Clementine when she met Frederick HIRONS, but they registered her birth with Frederick as dad, when actually her dad was Ernest CAPELL?
2. Clement Arthur HIRONS 1921 Sculcoates
3. Frank HIRONS 1922 Sculcoates
4. Catherine G HIRONS 1924 Hull, she died 1924 Hull.
There is a death of a Frederick Hirons in Hull in 1929 who was born about 1891. We think this is the Frederick that was with Annie Yates/ Capell as her aunts remember she moved back to Rugby and was still there in 1950. According to them she got married again, but they cannot remember who to ( But did she get married again or just live with someone like she did with Frederick ?) I don't have access to the 1939 at home, but not sure what name she would be under in 1939...Capell, Yates, Hirons, or her new "husbands" name. Do not know if she was still in Hull area at the time or Rugby.
The reason I got in touch with you was that we have tried to rule out other Frederick Hirons born about the same time and your Frederick is only one that really matches. Also the fact that he had a Clementina, and my friends Frederick had a Clementine, followed by a Clement after Clementine died.
Not sure how we would go about proving or disproving any of this though. I checked out the Frederick J Hirons you mentioned that died in Leicester but got links to a Frederick John Hirons that was living in the area and married in 1911 census.
Hope all this makes sense, just ask if you have any questions.
Susan
- [S9814] 1939 Register for England and Wales (FindMyPast), FindMyPast, (\i FindMyPast\i0 . http://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-records/1939-register.), (http://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-records/1939-register : accessed 13 Mar 2017); Household for Madeline Capell (99827). (Reliability: 3), 13 Mar 2017.
Extracted from the 1939 Register
(http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=tna%2fr39%2f5644%2f5644i%2f002%2f18)
13/3/2017
Household (1 Person)
Maryvale Convent Old Oscott Great Barr Old Oscott , Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire, England
First Name(s): Madeline
Last Name(s): Sharman (Capell)
Date of Birth: 29 Nov 1906
Sex: Female
Occupation: Childrens Nurse
Marital Status: Single
Schedule: 1
Schedule Sub Number: 18
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=tna%2fr39%2f5644%2f5644i%2f002%2f18
- [S8515] England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915, FreeBMD, ((http://freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl)), accessed 13 Mar 2017), Birth Registration for Madeline CAPELL (99827); Mar 1907; Rugby, Warwickshire; Volume 6d, Page 578. (Reliability: 3), 13 Mar 2017.
- [S9296] 1911 England Census for Warwickshire, England. Warwickshire., (\i Ancestry\i0 . http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=2352 : n.d.), 15 West Leyes, Rugby, Warwickshire, England; (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=2352 : accessed 13 Mar 2017); citing RG 78 PN 1112, RG 14 PN 18597, registration district (RD) 391, sub district (SD) 1, enumeration district (ED) 12, schedule number (SN) 286 (Reliability: 3), 13 Mar 2017.
1911 England Census data extracted from Ancestry Records 13/3/2017
Information for Ernest CAPELL
Age in 1911: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Rugby, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Rugby
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address: 15 West Leyes Rugby
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Bricklayers Labour
Registration district: Rugby
Registration District Number: 391
Sub-registration district: Rugby
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 18597
Household Members:
Ernest CAPELL: Age 30 (1881)
Annie Elizabeth CAPELL: Age 27 (1884)
Madeline CAPELL: Age 4 (1907)
Margret Helen CAPELL: Age 2 (1909)
RG14PN18597 RG78PN1112 RD391 SD1 ED12 SN286
- [S8519] England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915, FreeBMD, ((http://freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl)), accessed 13 Mar 2017), Marriage Registration for Ernest CAPELL and Annie Elizabeth YATES (29022); Dec 1903; Rugby, Warwickshire; Volume 6d, Page 1083. (Reliability: 3), 13 Mar 2017.
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